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Vengeance vs. Forgiveness

I've been reading recent threads on MacLeod, and the question of whether he judges others. My own question, inspired by a vid idea that is eating my brain, has to do with vengeance.

I'm not concerned with MacLeod killing Immortals for being a threat to Mortals right now. I want to look at his response when another person has harmed him or people he cares about. I welcome any form of response and discussion, up to pelting with gummy bears. But I'm going to start the conversation with a simple list of cases in which it seems to me he responded with vengeance, and times he did not.

Vengeance on:
Kanwulf for the death of Ian MacLeod
Earl of Rosemont for the massacres after Culloden
Kern for the death of Little Deer
Xavier for killing Hamza El Kahir

Forgiveness of:
Kage with personal betrayal and the deaths of the nuns and orphans
the Mortal boy who killed Tessa
possibly Methos ("I want him to live!")

a bit of both for:
Haresh Clay for the killing of Graham Ashe

Ideas? Comments?


Jun. 16th, 2006 03:13 pm (UTC)
interesting thread. Sometimes the line between vengeance and killing an immediate threat is blurry. As with Xavier. I guess you might include Luther, who took Rebecca's head. Haven't watched the episode in awhile but if I remember he wasn't an immediate threat to anyone (maybe Amanda)? But he had killed mortals in his quest for the stone?
Jun. 16th, 2006 03:24 pm (UTC)
He'd killed Rebecca. But yeah, I think Duncan's motivation was to keep Amanda alive. It didn't strike me as revenge for anything. I don't think he even hated Luther.
Jun. 16th, 2006 04:03 pm (UTC)
yeah. I couldn't remember the exact circumstances.

great fight, though.
Jun. 16th, 2006 06:07 pm (UTC)
Heh, that's a good episode because it's one where Amanda wanted vengeance, but Duncan just wanted to keep Amanda alive so there's that contrast between those two motives.
Jun. 17th, 2006 04:27 am (UTC)
Sometimes the line between vengeance and killing an immediate threat is blurry
Very nicely put.

Luther was most definitely a threat to Amanda. And somehow, I don't imagine that he wanted the Methuselah Stone and true, unkillable Immortality so that he could peacefully continue his eternal quest to bake the perfect brownie.
Jun. 17th, 2006 04:09 pm (UTC)
But Duncan didn't believe in the Methuselah Stone. I think later, when he saw it on the bridge in Methuselah's Gift, and when Methos believed in it, he might have questioned. But in Legacy, he pretty much thought Amanda and Luther were both a bit delusional, I think.